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Shop Dombrowski and buy Willis out for 10% or sue him for fraud
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It still sounds as if the Tigers won't go beyond 2 years for
Rodney----some team will offer a 3rd year. It is starting to
sound like they don't want Lyon as their closer either. Which
means they will have Perry and Zumaya, which isn't all that bad if Zumaya is healthy, throwing strikes--he seems to lose the plate at times,and perhaps bring in a salary-friendly pitcher similar to the amount they gave to Lyon last year.
Unfortunately, I say that because of the lack of offense, it
appears Everett will be back at ss. I was hoping the Tigers
would sign somebody like Orlando Cabrera but that doesn't look
likely. It is almost a foregone conclusion that Sizemore inherits second base beginning next season. Hopefully, the Tigers compensation for losing Polanco proves to be valuable. Prospects like Wells, Roesch, Ramirez, Weinhardt will get good looks during Spring Training but whether they
make the club remains to be seen. I still think they would
help the Tigers improve their offense and be better defensively, as well. Hopefully, Turner and Oliver will ready soon because the chances of Robertson and Bonderman
returning to respectable form are only decent at best. Bonderman if he does could still be one of their top
pitchers and he is still young.He could move up from making a decent return to being a top starter. If Robertson turns it around he would probably just go back to being an average pitcher. Can't help but to already think about the
Tigers after this season with the amount of money that won't be tied-up to players who are on their way out.
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who cares if Bonderman re ups.....between Bonderman, Robertson, and Willis, ties up about $36 million of dead money.
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I suspect the Tigers will field essentially the same team
as this last season. If the Tigers lose Polanco where does
Sizemore bat? Does Rayburn hit second? If the Tigers lose
both Rodney and Lyon Perry and Zumaya inherit the 8th and ninth inning jobs. I like to think otherwise but I doubt
Bonderman and Robertson have bounce back seasons. Jackson
may level off some but be more consistent. Although it
isn't his fault that he didn't win at least 4 more games
this last season. The Tigers may need Sadderwhite and Reinhardt a year early than desired.The Tigers players say
they want to get rid of this awful feeling but they won't
be doing anything to improve the ball club---unless they
repair Inge and take him to contact camp, Sizemore to infield camp(in February now) and Ordonez and Guillen discover the fountain of youth. Unless Porcello can shave
a run off his era and probably Bonine wins a lot more
games than the Tigers 5th starter this last season. I doubt the Twins will be any better next season even with Morneau playing everyday. Funny how a team with 86 wins has almost
the same shadow as the off-season before with only 70 something wins and the cries wait until next year have begun
and the off-season hasn't started yet. I think Mr. Illitch and DD have the end of the World Series date next season circled already when they will have almost half of their pay-roll released. Hopefully by then they will have a
better idea if their corner of prospects can play in the
majors. Their young relievers will be ready. Their young
starters will be a year closer to the majors---they still
may need a ss and a lead-off hitter.I guess the Tigers
get a prize for staying near contention heading into 2010.
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How can they afford him when they can't afford Polonco or Rodney?
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I have read both Sadderwhite and Reinhardt probably won't be ready for Detroit this next season. Both should be in Detroit
in 2011. It appears Everett and Santiago will be the combination at shortstop for the Tigers again. Don't expect
the Tigers to go out and get a corner of--I guess that means
Rayburn, Thomas, and Guillen with Magglio will rotate in
and out of the outfield and dh. So how does that support
a more productive offense. The hope is Guillen is healthy and
therefore productive the whole season. As for Magglio, well
at least 15 home-runs and 75 rbis. Tell me again that isn't
Bobby Higginson all over again. Well at least Magglio had
a couple of better than average seasons in Detroit.
As for the Pitching side of the team. It sounds as if the
Tigers are preparing to lose Rodney for sure, perhaps
even Lyon. If not Lyon, he is in line to be the closer.
If Lyon as well then Zumaya steps in with Perry as the
set-up man. If, and that has become a big if with Zumaya,
he is healthy, and doesn't have those moments of totally
losing the location of the plate, he very well could be
an effective closer. Bonderman, well, the same song of needing to find an effective 3rd pitch. Still he is on track
to be the Tigers 4th starter, at least for next season. Same
with Robertson as 5th starter. Hopefully, he will be at least be the average pitcher he usually is. Steep price for
a 5th starter but again only for a season--and he is left-handed. Ni, Seay, Bonine, and Miner fill out the
bullpen. Dontrelle Willis remains a very high liability.
Catching Laird and Avila appear to be a good offensive and
defensive combination. Even with due increases in salary
to players, pitchers in particular, the Tigers will almost
cut their pay-roll almost in half with the expiring contracts of Magglio, Dontrelle, Bonderman, and Robertson.
Unless a Roesch or Ramirez surprises the Tigers will essentially field the same line-up and more or less
the same pitching staff. So I guess another 86 win
season is in order. Ho-hum, well Sizemore for Polanco is
one significant change. With the other increases in
salary it remains to be seen how much the Tigers will have
to spend for 2011. Of course by then they may not have to
with their young outfielders ready to produce and quite
a few pitching prospects, starters and relievers, ready
to step in, as well. Lets just hope 4 years away from
World Series doesn't become 16 or 22 like after 1968 and
1984.
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Actually, the Tigers will only receive compensation for Rodney, Lyon, Huff, and/ or Polanco if they offer them arbitration. If they don't offer, there is no compensation. They are likely to not offer to Huff, since he makes $ 8 million, and player salaries generally don't go down in arbitration. Huff isn't worth that much.
Huff, Lyon, and Rodney are all Type B free agents, and the compensation if they offer arbitration, the player declines and signs with another club, would be one sandwich pick between the first and second rounds.
Polanco is a Type A free agent. The compensation would be one sandwich pick, PLUS either a first or a second round pick, depending on what club signs him. The first fifteen picks are protected, so if a club that finishes in the bottom 15 in the standings were to sign Polly, the compensation would be a second round and a sandwich pick.
I think that a first round pick and a multi year deal might make it too difficult for Polanco to sign with a top 15 club.
From the time that the World Series is over until December 1st, players will have time to see what kind of market there is for their services, and clubs will get an idea of what the players' demands are. If they're wondering whether a player would accept arby, they could offer a one year deal for the amount that the player is projected to get in arbitration. If he turns it down, he's probably also going to decline arbitration.
I'd be offering arbitration to Lyon, Rodney, and Polanco, and I'd have no problem if they all accepted, and one year deals were worked out.
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So just for clarification if the Tigers lose Polanco they receive a first and a sandwich pick and if they lose Rodney
they receive a sandwich pick. If they lose Rodney, as long
as they resign Lyon, that would be fine, I guess. If they
lose Polanco, that is a tough loss but I am starting to change
my mind if that compensation is correct. Sizemore may be ready
right now and while losing Polanco and his 2 spot in the order
needs to be filled that is a lot of compensation for a good
ball player. Sadderwhite and Reinhardt look impressive and
they have Perry and Zumaya. Rodney is effective but I admit
he looks like he is ready to crash and burn. Then again so does Zumaya too but I think that would be for a lot less money
and I doubt Zumaya would bring any compensation at this point
if he was elgible for free agency. Of those high class free
agents there might be some others but Bay and Cabrera over
Tejada(age and too high of salary demand) I like Orlando
it would be interesting to bring him in at shortstop. It would be the second time he bounced to the same spot Renteria was not invited back to--but I doubt the Tigers
would bid on him. Figgins would be an interesting pick-up
because of the things he can do but I doubt he would want
to come to Detroit.
I don't know why I changed my mind about Rodney and
Polanco but the Tigers still would need to address ss and
of which I don't know if they would do this off-season.
Maybe some of their young prospects will come through for
them. And really if Magglio doesn't hit again, Guillen
appears healthy which will help, the Tigers may still yet
survive. Illitch and DD has got to be thinking then geez, if only we can stay in contention one more year minus Polanco, Rodney, and then Willis, Robertson, and Magglio, that is a lot of money to lock up all these good young
players and still have money to plug holes with.
I didn't think Detroit could pull of staying in contention
minus Polanco and Rodney if they don't sign anybody which
might be the case but I guess that is why I think I changed
my mind. And the extra picks with DD and the Tigers draft track record the last several seasons. Goodness, with the
young prospects they have already and if they added 3 more
front line power pitchers, that would be incredibly awesome.
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I have a few thoughts about the off-season that the Illitch
and DD may want to consider. Some are rather obvious some may not be so obvious. Depending on the size of Polanco's contract
they should bring him back. 2 years 12 million is a bargain for Polanco compared to what they are paying Sheff and paid
for Ordonez this season. Speaking of which Sheff's contract
is up finally. Are the Tigers really going to give Bonderman
and Robertson a spot next season and hope they are healthy.
My guess is that both will be but Bonderman will probably
be slightly above average and Robertson so-so to shaky.
Whither Galaraga and Willis---that hurts for next year's payroll but again Lyon and Rodney will be far more productive
than Robertson and Willis next season and at least a few more years after that. Reinhardt, Sadderwhite, and Sizemore
could be called up if need be at some point next season.
I would hope the Tigers just don't give them jobs. It
will be important for Zumaya to be healthy. Perry and Ni
should be around for a long time. There has to be room
for Eddie Bonine. Whither Zach Miner--at times he looks
very good, others very shaky. Do the Tigers really want
Maggs and Rayburn in the same of? Roesch and Wells need to
get good looks but again they need an established of. Nice try for Huff but I don't really get why he didn't hit down the stretch, either. Guillen should be productive as he was
healthy down the stretch. Magglio, I don't know if he
will be as productive as he was in previous years but he should be more than this last season. And if he isn't he
is only getting overpaid for one season, as well. Bummer
about eating some bad contracts but the Tigers need to
build on those 86 wins not potentially fall back below .500
and look for 2011. They do have good prospects that we all
will know if they will be ready for 2011. Maybe even mid-way
or September next season. They need to address short stop as
well. Any takers for Fien, Miner, Figaro, Thames, the Tigers
could fill at least one of their holes by trading and letting go of Thames. Throw in Everett and that is a few
million--there is about half of the money for Polanco right
there.
2010 has the potential to be a good season not a wait umtil
next season kind of year. 2011 and beyond look promising too
though as guys like Willis, Robertson, Galaraga, Magglio, move on. By the way I would love for Willis to regain his poise for more than just one outing, even for a majority of
a season but I am afraid that is just not going to happen.
If I was Illitch I would eat some of these bad contracts
and resign and go out and sign some guys and still have
a contender for this upcoming season and beyond. I wouldn't let these one year bad contracts stand in the way and I wouldn't worry about Lyon, Polanco, and Rodney being bad
contracts, either. They will be well worth the money they
receive.
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The worst thing I can gather from that loss to the Twins is now, who is going to want to play for the Detroit Tigers? We obviously will have some new players next year, but who of value is going to feel that they are gonna make the playoffs with us?
After the way we played down the stretch?
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I'm a very rare poster, and certainly not capable of intelligently second guessing anyone. My only complaint is seeing Laird in a couple of crucial at bats and wondering if his defense at that point of the game warrants not pinch hitting anyone, (Thames, Avila) to try to get us over the hump. I'm sure the matchups must have favored Laird, but it seemed like we were playing for a 15 inning game instead of taking our shots. I truly hope we can plug some offensive holes in the lineup and find a left handed starter somehow. It's going to take more than 86 wins to get there again.
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Leyland should not be involved with the future of this team. No way, no how. He is what he is - an out-of-date old manager with tunnel vision. It's possible to hang around for a while like that (see Bobby Bowden), but only if you surround yourself with good people. Leyland hasn't even managed to do that. Lamont and McClendon are complete jokes. The Tigers turned stale under Leyland's "professionalism" and probably aren't going to change much until he's gone.
Anyone notice Don Kelly streaking around the bases last night? And then a nice smooth hit to left-center later on. Do you suppose we could have used some of that energy during September? The kid was hitting .330 at Toledo and he can't replace Inge's .220 for a few games? Give me a break. Leyland's gotta go.
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Our lack of hitting killed us and now we take our final lineup and replace Polonco with Everett. Not very encouraging at all.
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tigers lost because they can't hit!! when they need one. so many times they had 2 men on with no outs-or 1 out and couldn't score.(last night!!,and whole season)-they didn't address it during the season,and from sept.8th till the 18th, they let the royals man handle them.
oh well no need to be upset,the players are getting ready for their 3 month vacation in hawaii,aulstarlia,ect.
tigers need to get 2 good hitters.(285. to 300 hitters) not worried about power,just being able to get a single under pressure would be great. porcello i thought did a great job,considering he's 20, in that type of game.
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What exactly is going to be different from last season? Your post isn't changing a thing. The 2010 season opener better have at least 1 or 2 different faces in the lineup. You know some actual major league ball players.
The tiger wheel has been broken since 2006 and its time to start anew.
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