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Is Salvation for Real and Does It Work:
Abe2
Thankyou for asking and it is "ME", "I AM THE EVIDENCES" Have read A.F Sinner postings when he ends his posting what he said about himself, I was all that and some in my life in B.C (Before Jesus Christ) I was just plain awful and one day I might post in detail some of those things.
For some of those things and my attitudes I had and done, I am still ashamed of my myself but not afraid to testify if it help to lead someone to choose God and Jesus Christ for their salvation.
For the way I felt and believe before I accepted Jesus Christ, God offer of salvation by my choice, I was one mean and bad person and if I had to go to hell. (Devil lookout a coup is coming when I get there).
"AND I REALLY AM THANKFUL FOR GOD GRACE, MERCY AND LOVE, GOD HAS SHOWN ME IN JESUS CHRIST" I am no longer that person in my mind, spirit and body.
And I can surrender to God and His word and use His word as a living foundation for my walk in life on this side of heaven and working for the promise of heaven, So on my day of judgement and as I stand before Christ and God, I will hear "WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT ENTER INTO MY REST" (HEAVEN).
STANDING IN FAITH: JUST PASSING THROUGH:
Is Salvation for Real and Does It Work:
Is Salvation real ? "Yes it Is" And does it work ? " Yes it Does" Now in John Chp 3 (KJV) Explain salvation and when Jesus was ask by Nicodemus how do we get to heaven or to see God ? Jesus answer in verse 3, and said:
3. Jesus answer and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born agian, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
And when Nicodemus ask Jesus to explain, as it said in John 3:4, Jesus answer in John 3:5 (KJV) and He said
5. Jesus answer, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the knigdom of God.
Now Salvation has been mispresent to the point it is becoming a stumbling block and a hinderance to those who need it, And one of the biggest mispresentation is when a person is in trouble do to lack of understanding we will say to that person that salvation will stop what they are facing.
"AND THIS IS NOT TRUE" For the purpose of salvation is not to bail us out of our mess that we made (NO) for that fall under seedtime and harvest or we have reap what we have sown and (I will post on that at another time).
The purpose of salvation is for us to recognize our need for God in our live to have peace with God and if we are in the middle of our mess, if God does not deliver, God will give what is needed to go through and endure in the middle of our mess we have made.
And here is another stumbling block about salvation, the message of salvation is presented is to look for a feeling instead of a change that is noticeable from the day to day.
So many times we offer salvation in Thomas like faith as is it said in John 20: 24-25(KJV) instead of the cross as it said 1 Corinthians 1:17-31, Galatians 6:12-18, Ephesians Chp.2 and Philipians 2:1-11(KJV) so people can accept salvation as Jesus said in to Thomas in John 20: 26-31:
So what does happen in us when we accept God offer of Jesus Christ by faith after we heard the gospel ? Now we have peace with God as it said in Romans 5:1-3 and we are renew in our spirit as it said in 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Galatians 6: 14-16 (KJV):
And if there is any feeling involed for God does move "In His Own Way" sometimes, For I don't know how God will speak to someone but there is always tears, And Next God knows us and see us as son as it said in Galations 4:1-7 (KJV) and now we able to apply ourshevles to overcome that "Old Sinful Nature" as it said in 2 Peter 1:1-11(KJV):
See the reasons Salvation is call into question and doubt is because we who have accepted God offer, Some of us have not move forward from our new birthday to maturity, for if we did there would be no more doubt or questions about Salvation.
STANDING IN FAITH: OFFERING SALVATION ANY TAKER:
how can we tell the differents
I Know and we should reject it. For every time profiling is use it always fail to do what they it is suppose to do and send the wrong message.
And it hard not to do it in everyday life cause of the fear that is alway portray mostly by our news media by bad reporting to gain rating instead of reporting the news facts but that the nature of the business and I try hard daily not to judge a person on their looks.
And love to talk with people about our diffferences, Just so we don't have a fear base on how someone looks.
STANDING IN FAITH: AND ALWAYS WORKING ON MYSELF:
Did some shopping Today:
Me and my wife went to the furniture store for she want to redo are family room and as we left I notice a woman and man going into the store as we were leaving and the dress of the women appear to be of the Isamic faith. For she had the head scarf on and a little lite makeup very conserative and the husband nothing special.
And I wonder how do they practices their faith if it is Islam and I really want to ask, But I was be more observing and wondering if they were of the Isalmic faith or were their dress is cultrual or religious and how can we tell the differents, Well there is nobody answer these questions so I guess I try the Library.
STANDING IN FAITH: JUST OBSERVING:
Ethics in Journalism
If what you say is true then why did the poster use such inappropriate statement that attack Sharon.O and would have cause her harm. For the poster statement was not about news reporting and how it is being done, For if it was, The Detroit News "WOULD NOT HAVE PULLED IT ALL OF THEIR POSTING" IF WE LOOK THERE NO POSTING PAST THE POSTING OF WOW BY THIS POSTER, WHERE THE POSTER EXPRESS ABOUT BEING REMOVE BY THE DETROIT NEWS.
(THIS) show a form of pride that is very dangerous and that is "Everbody is Stupid but Me" and if the poster keep going down this road he will suffer for this.
Here is some counsel and the poster should really think on it and this is done grace:
"IF THE POSTER USE A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS IN THIS (FOR WE ALL NEED TO LEARN AND PRACTICE THINKING BEFORE WE SPEAK CONTINUALLY SO WE CAN EXPRESS OUR OPINION, TO GET OUR POINT OUT WITHOUT OFFENSE AND MALICE AND MOST OF ALL NOT ATTACKING SOMEONE PERSONALLY OR GIVING THAT IMPRESSION, IF SO THEN APOLOGIZE, IF THAT WAS NOT THE POSTER INTENT PURPOSE"
STANDING IN FAITH: OFFERING A WAY OUT BY GRACE:
A Reponse to the Posting On Friday 11/20/09: 6:34
To the Forum:
Well I see that the poster is still trying to convince the forum that a great injustice has been done to them. And by this posting and now is threatening legal action and in a feeble attempt to install fear, Well before you and your attorney persue this, Please consider this before you go forward.
A. Besure that the judge is not a believer for I can use Elder Walker in a court of law, For those judges rule by their faith and prayer, And you might say well what are you going to do Edler if the judge is not a believer ?
Well I suggest we look at Luke 18:1-7(KJV) and verse 2 said:
2. Saying, There was in a city a judge, which fear not God, neither regard man:
If we read on, "THE JUDGE" rule in the favor of turth: So I will say "GOD" got the jugdes cover (No Fear Here)
And yes I do have an attorney a believer like me and he is very good. And you might try a jury trial even as good as the attorney of my flesh is,
B. He still can't do what my real Advocate can do, For this Advocate can touch the heart, minds, and the spirit of any jury and can sway them easily to rule in favor of the turth. And He is my true Adovcate said these word for those who has hired Him: as it said in Isaiah 54:17(KJV)
17. No weapon that is formed against thee shall propser; and every tongue that shall rise agianst thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servant of the LORD, and their righteousness is of Me, saith the LORD.
C. So let me ask you why would "YOU" waist time and money to fight a fight that you have already lost and the cards are already are stack against you ?
STANDING IN FAITH: SHOULD WE PROCEED:
Marion: My first Question about Islam:
Marion:
My first Question is on the treatment of women " Now drop your rocks and read the question all the way through"
For I have read you and Sharon.O debates on the treatment of women in Isalm and I agree Her on one point but not on her whole point of view for I know that in some cultrues and countries where Is Islam is the main religion they married according to the principle in the Holy Quan and as long as the women is willing submit to her cultrual way and her religion and is willing to live as the Holy Quan said, I have no probelm with her decision.
Now this is where I agree on Sharon.O point of view is when the women try to move up or learn to do thing in another way or choose to leave her husband or any other thing that which she chooses to do, (SHE) Should not be worthy of a brutal death or death at all, And I stand with Sharon.O on this.
Now here is my Question to you: How do you handle to old way of the Holy Quan with being a modren day women , for even in the bible there are verse to the women that raises this same question, For in America there alot of freedom that challenge all religion even christianity.
STANDING IN FAITH: WAITING ON YOUR ANSWER:
Where are the True Worshipper of Islam:
Marion:
I was taught by my parents if you want to know something ask and listen very carefully and go to the horses head and not it's tail, So far on the forum there is only nitpicking and argueing about Isalm and it practices.
And if you are not up to the task or do not have enough knowledge ? Just say so and we will look else where. For I believe the lack of knowledge or igorances is the cause of most misunderstanding and wrong thinking.
Let me ask you this ? With all the bad things being say and portray about Islam and it your faith so you tell us on the forum then why are you so hesitant to share even if is only one who really want to hear.
Tell me about your faith and how and why you practices the way you do. And let me judge without all the hype please give me that respect to be find out about something I don't understand.
And I refuse to judge or form a opinion on Isalm base on negative, exstremist, and a news media that only want ratings for bashing Islam and saying everybody of that faith is a terrorist to sell papers or get poeple to watch a certian News Show "AND IN STILL UNNECESSARY FEAR".
And fear does'nt fit on me well, So Please stop disrepecting Me in that way and I not blind by foolish, And if I ask I REALLY........to know ?
For I am not about wasting your time or looking to find fault I just want to learn to the truth about Islam for I just can see that everyone that follow this faith can only worship at the business end of AK-47 and truthfully I like to prove that wrong for myself.
STANDING IN FAITH: MARION ARE YOU UP TO THE TASK:
Where are the True Worshipper of Islam:
To The Forum:
Before I make any Judgement on anything I would like clear facts and not cloudy evidences and this is where I am on Islam and so far I am leaning toward a very negative view about Islam and my questions have not change and that is what does Isalm teaches about living and about how to treat their fellow man and actaully what does it about it women.
For what I see may not be the truth be a interpertation of what it might said about women for this is also present in christianity. And why do the follower of Islam get so offend when their faith is challlenge ?
And why does AllAH needs a man to do or to show Himself, For it if He is a God why does he not defend His faithful where the world will Say Praise AllAH ? Now these are my questions please answer so I can make a wise decision on Islam.
STANDING IN FAITH: LOOKING FOR THE REAL ISLAM IF POSSIBLE:
Abe2 the Answer to your Questions: Posted 11/16-17/09
Abe2:
Now for me answer as a citizen the bible said I am suppose to be a good citizen and to practice good citizenship as my obedience to God as it said in Hebrews 13:17 and 1 Peter 2:12-21(KJV)
Now for obeying or following a immoral laws, Now some would say this is gray area in the bible, And in Acts 5:29 and the second part is often use when this question is ask:
29b. we ought obey God rather than men.
Now the only understanding that can be offer is (MAKE SURE IT IS AN IMMORAL LAW) and abortion is not a immoral law,"It is a Immoral Act" and here is why, A immoral law required some type of force, to be coered, or enslave or for someone to follow involuntray. For abortion for the most part is a choice by circumstances and each one has it own merit and should be judge accordingly. And should be counsel against the taking of a life and done in not a threatening way but with kindness and gentleness and encouragement and realize we may not win everybody to accept and believe "THAT GOD BLESSING COME SOMETIMES KICKING AND CRYING" but do the best we can, Rejoice in the victories and Grieve in our failure but never give up.
And then we the christian are to rebelled and hold fast to God and what He said in the bible as Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego as it said in Daniel Chp 3 and the prophet Dainel and the lion den as it said in Daniel Chp 6 and there are other reference in the Book of Esther.
Well I hope this answer your question and I know it from the bible but it tell in many place we the "Christians" are suppose to live and do and work by our faith even in politics.
STANDING IN FAITH: I HOPE I ANSWER WELL:
Elder
Sharon O.
I agree for I lost a Mangement Job for actually following what the law said when this situtation many, many........years ago came up for at that time I was well pay token if you understand what I mean, And when I refused to sweep it under the rug I was dismiss but the we kept in touch and she won her case.
STANDING IN FAITH: THANK YOU FOR YOUR VEIW POINT IT HAS BEEN HELPFUL
Elder
Sharon O.
Yes it does for I was thinking along them lines but I want to make sure it was not a male point of veiw but a understanding base on the commitment to what we sign up for and that we should honor our commitment first.
And for as on the job outside the military what is your opinion on that, For when my wife first started with her job a male worker ask her to compromise herself and was pressuring also and my wife was afraid to tell me because in short I was not as close to God as I am now.
And the person felt because of who he work for I could'nt do anything to him when I find out and my wife was so worry to, But trust me He found out other wise.
STANDING FAITH: I ALWAY WANT TO ASK THESE QUESTION ON HOW WOMEN FEEL:
Continue You to be Fool if You Choose:
Marion:
Look Marion if you gain anything in understanding about me from my posting ? You know I don't just say or post anything without thinking it through and if I would take such a stand as hard as this there must be some turth in what I am standing on and this is a need to know bases and I know and nobody else need to know. Including Sharon.O on who the offense was committed.
For I don't care how that poster tired to cover it up I am still going to stand where I stand on their post that was ban and not the lies that poster is trying to sell, and you should a least know that.
And you ask if what I saying is true ? Why is the poster not ban from the forum ? Did you read their acceptable use policy it should be in a litle window next to the posting, it said they Detroit News will kill any offensive posting brought to their attention and if you read the whole thing I sure you will find that if the user continues to brake the rules they will be died access.
Now I have two Question for you the first ask yourself ? Now I know I have not been on the forum as long as other and I seen some heated and yes some hard exchanges or debates between you, Abe2, Persona non Grada, Sharon.O, A.F.Sinner, 8-mile, Macbadger, and don't let me forget Elroy and Me and other and some what I read and all I could said was "WOW" but nobody postings got ban until now, so there must some truth also in my stand.
And question number two and That is for you seen not willing to answer " WHAT DOES THE HOLY QUAN SAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE"
SATANDING FAITH: READY TO LISTEN:
It Grieves Me to See........
To the Forum:
It Grieves me to see and read when a wrong was trying to be done and we stand in by and do what we say that we believe in and we hold fast to what God said we are to do, and do are best to respresent our belief as best we can and not be a part of the negative image and hypocisy that has "BEEN BLAME" on God by "THE EXAMPLE OF" those who do not walk with Him, With all their heart, With all mind, And with all their soul.
It amazed me how evil and wicked people can after they are caught can find the word and have some knowledge of the bible to sell a somewhat reasonable case for their wicked actions and their lies.
And it sad that there are not enough christian sound in the faith to see through this con or deception and here is how we can tell a fake and the real deal in christians.
A. Do they do and believe as it said Matthew 5:15-16, 1 Timothy 5: 24-25, 1 Timothy 6:17-19, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and 1 Peter 2:12 (KJV)
B. Do they do and believe like this as it said in Titus Chp 1:15-16(KJV)
See the easy part about this con and deception it only fool man for a short time and the truth come out, Then what will we say ?
STANDING IN FAITH: WITH A GRIEVED HEART:
Continue You to be Fool if You Choose:
Look and see this poster has no posting past the last todays and if we want to blinded because the attack is on a person we do not agree with ? Then to Marion you just prove what people say about Islam it is a religion of convenience and it all up to what agenda,
And to the poster who posted that mean evil statement " BE THANKFUL IT WAS NOT ME YOU SAID IT ABOUT" the first thing my lawyer said is it you Edler do I need to do something and I said no I am just looking for information for you would have some serious crippling legal issue and the kicker it no cost to me for God has giving favor like that.
STANDING IN FATIH: LET BLIND LEAD THE BLIND:
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