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Thursday AM Special: Two for the price of One !
Abe2, 1:18 PM
Abe: " I am not looking for evidence for your belief system."
I'm good with that.
Thursday AM Special: Two for the price of One !
Drew, we believers have no fear of thinking. We have a close relationship with the Creator God that agnostics and atheists cannot find evidence of.
Dillon, Livonia, Mi
I cannot speak for Drew, but I am not looking for evidence for your belief system.
Thursday AM Special: Two for the price of One !
Drew, 7:49 AM
Dillon: "It is as if you (Drew & MacBadger) believe that if you cannot think it through . . . it could not possibly have any validity and is certainly not true. ----"
Drew: "I don't think either one of us has ever suggested anything like that, Dillon."
"However, I think (BECAUSE I think) that I have a pretty good sense for what is logically plausible and what isn't, based on the knowledge I DO have." end
I conclude that the recognition of God and acceptance of the Christian faith must be understood and received outside the use of 'logical plausible", "BECAUSE I think" reasoning.
I conclude that, because the God of Creation has stepped forward to reveal himself to every human and there is a record of some of what we can know about God in writings we refer to as The Holy Bible.
Christians have not "checked their intellect at the door" before we believe. Christians have recognized that if there is a Creator God available to be "known" then the thin ability of the most brilliant 'thinking minds' must, as of this point in time, be flawed in their ability to recognize God and the truth of Christianity.
We have chosen to be open to the message of Scripture and have learned that God created us and desires for us to enjoy a fellowship with him for the purpose of providing for us and loving us. We have recognized a loving and caring Creator reaching out to us and we have responded by receiving him into our selves. We received and accepted Jesus as the connection between our flawed reasoned and logical thinking and the loving and caring Creator who is reaching out to us.
What the message of Jesus the Christ has revealed to us who believe in and receive him, is that God does exist and will interact with us and revive our spirit so that we can relate to him as Spirit.
Perhaps the greatest challenge to believing which the agnostic and atheist must hurdle is that they cannot set the rules, if God does exist and Jesus is the Messiah. This is a very foreign concept to them.
We who have made the decision of faith in God have discovered that God is greater than anything or anyone else and as such his reasoning is logically plausible. Drew, life in Jesus is an open door to the satisfying use of your intellect once you have the correct basis to work from.
The Amplified translation of the Bible declares this as the genesis for our logically plausible and accurate understanding of God.
"It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but canceling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor)."
" So we are Christ's ambassadors, God making His appeal as it were through us. We [as Christ's personal representatives] beg you for His sake to lay hold of the divine favor [now offered you] and be reconciled to God."*
*2 Corinthians 5:19 & 20
Drew, we believers have no fear of thinking. We have a close relationship with the Creator God that agnostics and atheists cannot find evidence of.
Thursday AM Special: Two for the price of One !
[Dillon:] ---- By the way guys, you [MacBadger and Drew] both speak as if you have cornered the market on knowledge. It is as if you believe that if you cannot think it through . . . it could not possibly have any validity and is certainly not true. ----
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I don't think either one of us has ever suggested anything like that, Dillon.
If anything, the opposite is true: The more we think about the world, the more we realize how little we really know about it. (I believe someone else more famous than me---and a renowned thinker---once made the same point, but I can't remember who right now.)
However, I think (BECAUSE I think) that I have a pretty good sense for what is logically plausible and what isn't, based on the knowledge I DO have.
That's one of the differences between those who are willing to think without prior constraints and those (A.F. Sinner, perhaps?) who are afraid to.
Thursday AM Special: Two for the price of One !
Drew and MacBadger are doing well this morning.
Thanks, You're amazing El Rushbo,
aka:
[Der Rushfuehrer, Herr Limbaugh, Feldmarschall Rushbo...;-)]
By the way guys, you both speak as if you have cornered the market on knowledge. It is as if you believe that if you cannot think it through . . . it could not possibly have any validity and is certainly not true.
Thank you 'oh sources of all that is knowable'. No one could rightly conclude there is any "condescending elitists. ----" OR "elitism, snobbery, arrogance, etc." in your thinking. No . . . not at all. I think.
Drew, as your Doctor on the Forum, I conclude your heart is still pumping with Vigor.
(consider your chain well yanked this morning)
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