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Fri. 11/06/09 07:34 AM

If You See It it Must be Real, Mustn't It ???

Fundamentalist Sinner, you mentioned that reported image of the BVM on the wall of the church in Royal Oak in the 80s.

I remember that (though I'm thinking it was a bit later, but you might be right). I happened to be in the area one day right around that time, so I drove past the church to see for myself. (Twice, as I recall.)

Gotta say, I was impressed...not by the "image," but by the imagination of anyone who saw anything on that wall other than some stains from the rain of from some other natural process.

Of course, maybe you had to have "faith" in order to see the Virgin...which would explain why I don't see a lot of miraculous manifestations.

(But can you drive safely if your faith makes you see stuff that the rest of us don't? That might be worth some research by traffic safety engineers, or by psychologists. I can imagine having faith that the light is green, not red.)

Thu. 11/05/09 11:13 AM

If You See It it Must be Real, Mustn't It ???

Sometime in the 80's, the image of the Virgin Mary reportedly appeared on the face of a Presbyterian Church at 13 Mile Rd. and Crooks Rd. in Royal Oak, MI, superimposed right over the "P." I didn't see it, so it certainly wasn't real... besides, isn't St. Mary a Catholic?

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Thu. 11/05/09 10:46 AM

If You See It it Must be Real, Mustn't It ???

Christian Image:

Image of Virgin Mary two stories high.

During three weeks over Christmas 1996, 450,000 people went to view the wall of a black glass building in south Florida where a two-story-high image of the Virgin Mary had appeared. The rainbow-coloured image on the outside of the Seminole Finance building in Clearwater, Florida, is about 50 feet wide and 35 feet tall, and stretches across nine panes of glass. "It's quite amazing. It's very spiritual, very peaceful," said Patty Scharn, a receptionist at the building. According to police spokesman Wayne Shelor: "People are making shrines, bringing gifts, candles, flowers, statues. Some have been overwhelmed and fainted. We have the infirm, the disabled in wheelchairs, the blind. They're coming 500 at a time... But it's not a carnival atmosphere. There is a sense of awe and wonder."

Later, the rainbow-coloured image recovered from an attack by vandals. In June 1997 someone threw an unknown liquid on the shape, staining it. But following two days of heavy thunderstorms, the blemishes disappeared, and the image looked again as it did in December.'

'In December 1995, Julian Webb, an Australian wheat-farmer, witnessed the miraculous materialization of Christ's face on a hard slab of granite rock. The miracle took place at night when Mr Webb was walking on his farm near Beverly, 120 miles east of Perth. He saw a shaft of light illuminate the rock, and watched amazed as the face of Christ slowly appeared from nowhere.'

' Weeping Madonna in Toronto

'Since early September 1996, an icon of the Virgin Mary has been weeping in a small Greek Orthodox church in Toronto, Canada. This occurrence attracted crowds of people who, drawn by the press coverage, formed long line-ups in the streets.'

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Muslim Images:

'On 20 January 1996, just before the Feast of Ramadan, a farmer in Taiba-Ndiassana, Senegal, discovered a watermelon on which the name of Allah had appeared. The year before similar signs appeared on the scales of a fish caught near Popenguine, home to the largest Catholic community in Senegal.

Mrs Ruksana Patel, in Bolton, England, bought an aubergine from a local shop. On slicing the vegetable in half, she saw that the seeds were formed in the Muslim symbol 'Ya-Allah,' meaning 'Allah exists.'

A Turkish grocer from the Regent Quarter of The Hague, Holland, bought some eggs fresh from the farm and had them on sale in his shop. But two of the eggs seemed slightly strange. "I noticed that the shells were a little misshapen," he said. "Very odd, just like Arab letters. And then suddenly I saw it: 'Allah.'" He had also bought about five kilos of beans, about 500 grams of which bear the name 'Allah.' Out of respect he did not feel he could sell the remaining beans: he decided to give them to the mosque. "About 40 people enjoyed a complete meal from these beans and there was still food left over."

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Israeli Images:

'Israel â€- red heifer seen as sign (1997)

'The birth of a rust-coloured calf in Israel is being hailed as a miraculous sign of the coming of the Messiah. The red heifer, of a variety believed extinct for centuries, was born to a black and white mother and a tan-coloured bull on a northern Israeli farm run by a religious high school for troubled and orphaned students. In ancient times the ashes of a red heifer, butchered in her third year, were mixed with water and used to purify Jews before they could approach Jerusalem's Holy Temple on Temple Mount. Not since the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in AD 70 has a red heifer been born in Israel, scholars say. . . . .

A dozen rabbis have examined the calf and said she is the long-awaited ritual heifer, meeting, so far, all the criteria described by the ancients. If the calf lives unblemished for another 18 months, she can theoretically be put to use. "It is written that it is the 10th heifer that the Messiah will discover and here we have the 10th heifer. This is a clear sign that the Messiah is near," said Rabbi Ido Weber Erlich of Jerusalem in an interview on Israel Radio.

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