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McCain is a Joke!
Antonio 311 Petaluma Califrnia says that nobody voted for McCain.
I did. I am not nobody.
Barney Rubble TLemon
I miss Barney , I hope he survives and returns. I don't think he was bounced from the Forum, although I would certainly prefer that to the alternative that he may be ill or deceased.
Barney is like my liberal brother --- we can't agree on anything but we both live to talk to each other.
Gary Peter's comments about McCain
It is tasteless and offensive to compare John McCain to Benedict Arnold.
Seen Earlier This Evening **READ READ**
Yes, Mr. Rootvg, Obama is on the way out. He is too arrogant and too Marxist and too totalitarian and too dishonest to change any of his disastrous policies. And one thing the man could not change even if he wanted to: he's too stupid to be president. He's too stupid to be president of a local suburban school board, let alone president of USA.
McCain
Rootvg wants the labor union organizer's manual. My guess is that there are a few copies in the nightstand draw of the Lincoln Bedroom.
Chrysler Mid-Sized Turkeys
Time for me to weigh in since we test-drove the subject Chrysler cars in 1998 (bought two Mercury mid-sized, my first-ever purchase not from Chrysler) and in 2004 (bought our first Subaru). Haven't considered a Chrysler product since (we bought our second Subaru in 2007).
We found the Chrysler mid-sized cars of those days, 1998 and 2004, to have the feel of cheap, light, no feel of the road, and looking inside and out as if made of recycled plastic grocery bags.
When these were first introduced, a co-worker called them "a big Neon" and he didn't mean it as a compliment. (At the time, I drove a Neon, my latest and last Chrysler product and frankly not a very good car.)
In contrast, our twin 1999 Mercury Mystiques had a pretty decent interior, lots of power, a feeling a solidity in construction, great feel of the road, great ride and handling.
Some Forum members defend their Sebrings and Avengers. If they're happy good for them. Every review I have ever read, plus my own, places these at the bottom. Even Toyota has a better offering.
EcoJunk
Former Engineer Boston MA you have your opinion and I have mine. If I needed a car (I don't) I'd be in a Ford (or Honda or Subaru) showroom Monday morning. As for Toyota, I have never shopped for one, never had one on my wish list, and that's unlikely to change. Toyota is a synonym for over-rated.
Cop Car???? Not really
At a trip to a local mall saw a late-model Subaru Forester as a mall security vehicle. I have no idea if the flashing lights etc. is a manufacturer package or after-market.
Obviously this is a parking lot patrol car, and in no way suitable for a real police cruiser like the Crown Vic police package.
Bro-mance
Yeah, people from Ohio are okay.
GM Diesel With a Cheap Interior
Santa Fe FP45 passenger locomotive (c. 1968) at the Illinois Railroad Museum has a linoleum floor. Cheap, classless and ugly. How disappointing.
LH and LHS cars
The LH included the Eagle Vision (soon dropped) and the near-identical Dodge Intrepid. The somewhat more upscale and different-looking Chrysler Concorde was also an LH.
The longer LHS body was at first sold as both the Chrysler New Yorker and Chrysler LHS. The New Yorker didn't sell so it was dropped - the last incarnation of that venerable nameplate.
The big difference between the Intrepid and the Vision was the position of the rear license plate.
That's today's trivia. If I seem to be stuck back in the 1980's, well I am. At least as far as my once-favorite car company is concerned.
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PS Rootvg I love your posts, but today's was a bit over the top. Don't overstate your case. You're half the reason I visit this forum, and I don't need you to get bounced for insulting another member.
CyberSurvey: Chrysler's goals
Mr. Norton, Bobbie Eaton stole mega-millions but he didn't act alone. As I posted a week ago when Jon Corzine was running (unsuccessfully) for re-election as New Jersey governor, Goldman Sachs helped Bobbie Eaton out and took its substantial cut. The Goldman Sachs account executive was Jon Corzine, who I am confident was well compensated.
So every time you see a Chrysler dealer close or see the company lay off another big bunch of workers, you can thank Jon Corzine and by extension the Democratic party.
That's two posts in a row, by me, that essentially are replays. Hope you guys enjoy them.
Chrysler LH
My opinion on the Chrysler LH..... In January 1994, Milwaukee had a killer cold month (in an otherwise average winter in an overall warm decade). My Dodge Shadow wouldn't start. (Nor did a whole lot of other cars.) It took me about two days to score a rental car, a two-mile walk from home to Sears rental in negative 26 degree weather. It was a Chrsyler Concorde from the first or the second model year production. I drove it for a day or so until AAA had worked down though its backlog and was able to get the Shadow started.
I was suitably impressed with the Concorde but I saw nothing at all European about it inside or out, or anything particularly luxurious. Competent, attractive, comfortable, roomy, relatively affordable, and nothing more. That's what it was sold as and that's what it was. Just that. Put a blindfold on me, the ride had "American" written all over it.
The FWD Chrysler LH cars were (and the successor RWD Magnum/ 300 cars are) made at Brampton Assembly outside Toronto. At the time it was built, what is now called Chrysler Brampton AP was called AMC Bramlea, to differentiate it from the much older AMC/ Rambler Brampton plant. Bramlea was built during the Renault ownership of AMC. It was considered one of AMC's two biggest assets in the 1987 sale to Chrysler, the other obviously being the Jeep nameplate. Chrysler also picked up the AMC liabilities - pensions, outstanding tort claims, etc. The Renault cars that came along with the deal probably were consider more a liability than an asset.
At the time of the Chrysler - AMC merger, Bramlea was building some of the most forgetable cars sold in North America, like the dreadful Renault Premiere. One source (accurate or otherwise, I never found out) reported that the Chrysler LH design was based in part on the existing Renault tooling at Bramlea. This was at a time when almost every car was FWD.
Several months ago I posted much the same information when Renault/ Nissan was rumored to be in the market for Chrysler, this being after the failed GM bid and before the successful Fiat deal.
Cool Wagons
Subaru Outback. Cool as can be. If the manufacturer called it a wagon (not the case) it is likely the biggest selling current wagon.
Wagons have always been cool lookers. May I mention the 1967-8 Dodge Monaco, the 1968-9 Dodge Coronet, and the 1967-8 Chevrolet Bel Air/ Impala.
H.Arnold
I took a cut in pay and benefits by leaving Michigan for a job in Wisconsin. One with a future. Guess what? I still have the job, and I have way more than made up the salary loss (not the benefits).
Gives me no pleasure to bad-mouth Detroit. After all it was my home. The fact is Detroit has gone down the hopper and it won't come back. Not ever.
Rootvg may overstate his repetitive point. Not everyone can leave home and get a job elsewhere, with more a future. Rootvg and I are two that have done so.
Auto industry in Michigan? There isn't much. I have bought about eleven or twelve cars in my life, exactly one car built in Michigan, and that plant (Chrysler SHAP) is closing. There's a whole world out there where cars are engineered and built. Michigan could sink under the Great Lakes (it seems to be going in that direction) and there would still be plenty of cars. Ditto Wisconsin, once a minor automotive hub and soon to be zilch.
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