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RE: rootvg
"Even if it was true, you couldn't do anything about it and no one would even care. I still get to live my life and do the things I want and you still get to complain like some dried up old man who's all bitter at the way life treated him."
You need a hobby.
rootvg, Danville, CA
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You're wrong there rootvg, we still live the life we want and do the things we want to do as well making a good wage at the Det3. Bummer for you now isn't it? And you know something else? There is nothing you can do about it but cry some more.
RE: rootvg
ROOTVG...
You remind me of the guy who continues to pound his head against the wall because it will feel so good when he stops.
I agree with your assesment of "a bitter old man who needs a hobby". BUT, if people like you would stop feeding him ammunition for his soap box diatribes he just might go away or at least reduce his presence...but I doubt it. He will continue to stick his nose into every post on this forum....Would be nice if the Detroit news would start charging him by the line.. I think Denver already suggested that.
RE: rootvg
Even if it was true, you couldn't do anything about it and no one would even care. I still get to live my life and do the things I want and you still get to complain like some dried up old man who's all bitter at the way life treated him.
You need a hobby.
RE: rootvg
"best post I've seen here in awhile." You must be talking about your posts, rootvg. Seems you say a lot, but say nothing.
Where, oh where, are all those Japanese sales increases? Where, oh where are the market share gains buy foreign auto makers?
Sales posting show an increase in sales AND market share by GM. At just over 20% market share, that is pretty good considering the economic conditions and total amount of different auto manufacturers. Ford sales up also though mention of market share in the news bulletin.
I swear, rootvg, you just posted how the Big3 are losing market share, not selling vehicles people want. Reports coming in suggest YOU are very wrong. In fact, Toyota and Honda showed nothing But either flat-lining or negative gains.
Could it be that you, rootvg, have your head in the sand and with your hateful, prejudice attitude towards honest, hard working people, you have lost sight of the real world?
Naw, not rootvg......
Good thing Denver's friends say they hate the UAW and anything they make. And GMSR, er, GMzippy too. Between the three of ya, what, you have two friends???
GO BIG3. Hurry up Chrysler, get that turn around going, introduce some new, fancy, high quality vehicles that people will want.
RE: rootvg
[for the record, I loved Texas as a place to live.]
I miss the almost weekly gun shows. Some of the ammo sellers knew me by first name.
RE: rootvg
There ya go, rootvg, spouting off without knowing what you are talking about.
Explain how TEXAS led the country with job losses this past reporting period?
Explain the higher unemployment too.
Explain why TEXAS has so many very questionable workers working on those infrastructure/highways and bi-ways?
FACT: you talk up Texas, and yet, you cannot back up much of your statements with exception to the highways. those projects have been planned on for years, perhaps decades. The construction going on has been ongoing as, yes, Texas is a growing state with cities expanding.
But do explain the demand for police officers in the Dallas fort worth area as CRIME escalates out of control. So bad in fact, the cities were offering $10,000.00 sign-on bonuses to those entering the police force. Doesn't sound too fascinating to me.
There is also grater concern about the entry of illegal aliens into the state and country. More border patrol personnel have been added too. These added jobs pay well and add revenue to the local areas.
However, those working on the highways are continuously being checked for illegal workers on the job site, stealing good paying jobs [illegals are paid daily with chump change] which also takes away from the local tax revenue base.***
The highways have been a planned project and a lot of that has to do with the republican G.Bush Jr's plan to allow Mexican truck drivers access into the country with little oversight.
***: Many construction firms have brought in illegal or very poorly paid "southern" worker to do the jobs many American workers should be doing. These companies are exploiting that worker with poor pay, very hot working conditions, no or few breaks, no health or other bennies. No SS or other tax revenue is generated by these workers either. You also lose out on federal tax dollars, unemployment compensation costs, and other cost related business expenses.
Yep, go to Texas, watch and see all the abuses down there.
[for the record, I loved Texas as a place to live.]
RE: rootvg
You quoted someone, possibly me about living in a shack wishing you had better wages.
Then, you make some weak comment about a manual. Hmm, seems to me you avoided [as usual] the actual subject.
While many here, yourself included, voice out against the UAW workers for voting down the concession do not even know the reason behind it. It isn't about money or greed as some contend. It is, however, about the ability to bargain fairly.
Someone else made mention about UAW workers not caring and used an example about suppliers being forced to make cuts.
In the 14 years when I worked for Chrysler, I was NEVER asked or allowed to make a decision in regards to cutting supplier's costs. NOPE! that was left up to the decision makers.
Rootvg, you can use that weak, out-dated union manual garbage all you want. Obviously, you are sitting there with your anti-union manual, quoting their fist shaking rhetoric all you want.
RHETORIC: showy, elaborate language that is empty or insincere.
That is you, rootvg, to a tee.
re: rootvg
Another common tactic among labor evangelists is this constant "proof" thing all the time...and that's because labor folks historically don't defend themselves very well so this is something the locals have come up with to keep from getting snookered all the time.
Look...the market is proof whether or not this thing you pump all the time like so many tent preachers with really bad haircuts is worth a damn.
I'm not in your court of law, and I don't owe you anything (fancy that) and I'm gonna say whatever the hell I want. I'm not alone. You can't intimidate me by reciting lines out of the union organizers handbook or sending stooges over to my house or engaging in any other typically mobbish or juvenile exploit you learned down at the union hall. As I have said before, the cable news outlets and the Internet are NOT your friend.
Now that I think about it, the fortunes of organized labor have declined precipitously since the advent of the World Wide Web. The web protocol and preponderance of broadband came on the scene in 1992 and if you trace it back, I'll bet the membership numbers have declined at a steeper rate than before. I don't have access to that information but knowing what I know about all this southern migration since the early nineties, I strongly suspect this to be the case. It makes sense.
Your serve.
re: rootvg
But you seem to know an aweful lot about the region.
Too much. I lived there for thirty years, remember?
Almost as if you are still there, living, copying, hating. That is why you have yet to convince me you live elsewhere.
What does posting drivel like that accomplish? You're not changing my mind. You're not changing the minds of anyone here.
I'll tell ya what...I'll give ya wrench to throw if it'll make ya feel better.
There are thirty four million people in this state, Master Chief. There's simply no way around that.
That nonsensical crap didn't keep General Motors and Chrysler from going tits up, did it? It also won't make one step toward ultimately curing what's wrong with that industry and part of the country.
re: rootvg
Oh, I understand much more than you think. Much more than you, too.
Why? because I have been around, seen the reality of it all. You just listen to some one-sided jive spoken by some know-it-know nothing talk show host.
I like the way you described the rust belt. A narrow minded, hateful description. But you seem to know an aweful lot about the region. Almost as if you are still there, living, copying, hating. That is why you have yet to convince me you live elsewhere.
Now, get back to the real discussion, rootvg. Where is your proof about labor, unions bringing down the area or country as YOU have posted here?
Where is the answer to a very direct, yet simple question I asked you? You do not dare answer it because if you were to do it honestly, you would show the world why you are so full of yourself, you actually believe the crap you preach here.
You keep mentioning unions, union halls,some junk out of the union playbook. Yet you fail to see yourself preaching some BS about how someone is right [as long as they agree with your position] and how the other side is wrong.
Yet, you continually avoid the real truth, the real subject...
the simple fact that corporations and companies left the good old USofA to AVOID taxes, safety, environmental, pollution standards, SS, unemployment compensation, pensions, health care/insurance and whatever else they could get away with. The whole time, they brainwash simpletons like yourself into believing their lies and distorted BS.
Admit the truth just once, rootvg. And while you're at it, admit you have no idea about anything, especially experience with domestic vehicles. Come on, just once be thruthful.
your avoiding the question is your way of avoiding the truthful reality of what is really happening. YOU KNOW IT TOO!!!! Just a little to smart to admit that.
RE: rootvg
BTW, I bet many of those construction workers are union.
Out here, they're all union. Big time.
So are BMW and Mercedes, as far as I know.
You're misreading me. I'm nowhere near as concerned about whether or not something's union as I am about the ultimate quality of the product and if it's a good value. I'll go out of my way to avoid shopping at a Wal-Mart but if that's the only place that has something I need, there's nothing I can do about it.
The way I see it, the only possible way Detroit can survive is to produce a product with a level of quality and fit and finish and customer service for the money that I can't get anywhere else. The customer gets to make that decision, not the guys in the UAW and not their supporters in the House of Representatives!
Master Chief, we've had ALL of these discussions before. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours but (as I said) there just aren't enough of you around anymore to make a difference. I'm gonna keep buying what I buy and shopping where I shop and nothing will change! Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania and New York will take an absolute pasting in the 2010 census (at the expense of California, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina and Florida) and nothing will change back home! They won't fix what needs to be fixed and remove the people from power who need to be removed and start the long, slow process of resolving that region's economic problems.
Did you know that in the next census, the population of North Carolina will exceed the population of New Jersey? When that happens, and it becomes more important to win North Carolina than New Jersey in the Electoral College (with North Carolina being one of the reddest and most anti union states there is) it'll very much alter the existing calculus of what it takes to become President of the United States. Obama and the Democrats know this...that's why they're pushing so hard for healthcare and Cap and Trade. It's their last shot before their party is blown out in the next election cycle.
Increasingly, this whole line of discourse isn't worth our time. These battles were fought and won before I graduated from college. That's just how it is.
RE: rootvg
Two expressways are nothng to get excited about or brag about with "expansion" . But of course, you and your union hall comments means nothing to me either.
BTW, I bet many of those construction workers are union. Better be careful, rootvg. you may not want that. you may have to travel a dirt road or something. Can't have you using anything union made, even a highway.
re: rootvg
again, you have failed to answer my question [directed to you] in my post a couple days ago. You tip-toe away from it. You and your rust belt hatred... answer the question about "what is the rust belt?', Rootvg. Which states are in that? How about all the states named in my post that surround the rust belt? That involves nearly 27 states, the DC area too.
East coast, west coast, all of them are suffering. Not from rust belt thinking, but from overall greedy, poor leadership. Not from unions or union workers being paid too much. NOPE! Never was the real issue. Just fools such as yourself taking the bait.
We are in a mess because of poor trade agreements, competing with third world economies. And those in charge have brought this country to its knees. And it all began with republicans.
Now, rootvg, anser the question at hand.
RE: rootvg
You have commented too many times about the rust belt living in the past. And yet AGAIN, you mention something from the 80s. What gives with that? The Reagan years are closr to 30 years ago if counting from the beginning of his white house days.
This is 2009. wake up son. you comments are stupid... another reason i won't buy a domestic.... good grief.
RE: rootvg
I do not know many willing or wanting to live in Kalifornia.
We didn't want to live here either. That said, this is where the jobs are and that's something the Rust Belt will continue to face. I mean, who wants to invest their money in a place where the skills are bad and educational levels are below par and where the popular culture is about as flexible as a two-by-four?
While it may be true many young workers have left Michigan for greener pastures, most of their educations were paid for from the sweat and hard work from the UAW parents.
And your point is?
One of the things I noticed within a year of leaving Ohio was Rust Belters' tendency to view pretty much everything in the context of "I remember when". Everything's about yesterday, nothing's about tomorrow...and that's part of the problem.
I guess the one bit of advice I would give you is to get ready for a hellstorm when the Republicans retake Congress next year. The gravy train for ACORN and the unions and all of their minions in general will come to an immediate end. We know it's coming, we can already see it.
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