Autos Talk

Jump to bottom
Sat. 11/07/09 06:52 AM

Diesel in the US

.

There is generally great concern about future price of fuel and specifically about the high "premium" demanded for diesel fuel based on past experience and that impact on "pay back".

Let's use "the NTHSA average 2008 domestic passenger vehicle fuel economy" of 21 mpg bacause that is approximately what the average domestic auto owner achieves.

We can also include, for comparison, the "best" combined average that GM has, 30 mpg.

For fuel prices: Gasoline @ $4.50 & diesel @ $6.00 ... hopefully that is a satisfactory range for the forum.

Take the NHTSA average 2008 domestic passenger vehicle fuel economy 21 mpg (4.762 gallons/100 miles @ $4.50/gallon = $21.43/100 miles).

Using the "best" GM domestic passenger vehicle fuel economy according to EPA was 30 mpg (3.33 gallons/100 miles @ $4.50/gallon = $14.98/100 miles).

And the Ford Mondeo Estate diesel at 45 mpg combined (2.222 gallons/100 miles @ $6.00/gallon = $13.33/100 miles).

What happens to supplies if there is an increase in demand for diesel fuel?

The current typical domestic refining process generally yields about 19.6 gallon of gasoline and 11 gallons of diesel per 42 gallons (1 barrel) of light sweet crude.

What you probably do NOT know is that there is an alternative process that yields about 11 gallon of gasoline and 19.6 gallons of diesel per barrel. This process is common in Europe.

So balancing diesel supply with demand should NOT BE AN ISSUE, particularly as fuel demand per vehicle would be decreasing almost 50% on average switching to diesel.

Currently, US refineries are running at between 84% and 88% capacity compared to almost MAX in early 2008. Still stored finished fuel inventories are increasing due to decreased consumption. Further, some are predicting refinery utalization as low as 78% utilization by Spring 2010. This could easily FORCE SHUTDOWN of some of the less efficient domestic refineries.

Regarding diesel vehicle technologies and possible choices ... take a look at the Fords, Volvos, Fiats, Hyundai/Kias, Mazdas, Minis, Nissans, Subarus, and Vauxhalls (Opels) rated above 51 mpg(Imperial) [43 mpg(US)] combined cycle here

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/fuelConSearch.asp

And IF you are a truck person try (be aware that Iveco is part of Fiat)

http://www.vca.gov.uk/vandata/vehicles.aspx

As for why not in the US ... the argument is over 0.250 grams/mile of NOx versus the US limit of 0.030 grams/mile NOx, IIRC (which some newer domestic gasoline vehicles will exceed unless abated).

Meanwhile VW has DEMONSTRATED "THE WILL" to solve the NOx and diesel particle problems for about $1,300 per vehicle (retail market "premium for 50 State compliant diesel"). Now, according to one source, VW has apparently increased the "premium" on their diesels to about $1,800 (about $500/diesel vehicle in ADDITIONAL PROFIT) because of demand.

At least that is the way it looks to me ...

.

Jump to top

Click "Share" to embed this widget on your Web site

Advertisement

About this forum

Acceptable Use

The Detroit News does not tolerate offensive language in its forums. Once you register, your posts go up automatically, but we kill offensive posts that are brought to our attention. Users who violate our acceptable use policy can and will be denied access. See a problem? Tell us.

Feedback

We value your feedback, so please let us know if you have any questions or problems.

Threading in forums

We are working on adding threading to the forums. Clicking on the headline of a post will now get you related posts in a few different ways.

- If the post was sent to us in response to an article, clicking on that post's headline will retrieve all comments on that article, and clicking on the "See related article" link will send you to the article itself.

- If the comment was submitted in response to a cybersurvey, clicking on the headline will take you to the cybersurvey and its related comments.

- If you click on the headline of a forum post that was simply posted in the forum, you will get all posts with that same headline.

If you want to add a comment to a thread in the forum, use the same headline as the post to which you want to respond.

If you find a problem, please tell us, and thanks in advance for your patience as we work to improve the forums for you.

CyberSurveys

Car of the week 11/20/2009

Here are this week's five Joyrides cars of the day. Vote for your favorite, and then tell us what made you vote the way you did. (Visit the Joyrides Car of the Week site for photos and information on the cars.)