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Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
"And it is a prime indicator as to the future for Auto workers with no useful skills off the shop floor.
I look forward to continuing elimination of auto worker jobs as their presence in the economy distorts compensation and is illusory with so much public support.
May their demise be slow and painful."
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Wow, too bad this is not usenet, with it's feature of Killfilter...well, this clown can go on paying salaries
for his government workers who sit around and discuss banning black cars...some education, eh?
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Otto Kritic - Mr. Galbraith's words were never more true; GM has a plan to ramp up production by over 1MM vehicles in 2010 ( all assembly plants at 3 shifts before the 2011 model year ); the only reason for this >40% increase is that GM MUST stick to the plan presented to the US Treasury to obtain the bailout money; there is no market study, consumer spending study, or other economic basis for this massive increase in production; this strict adherence to a plan that does not recognize today's market conditions ( rising unemployment, house foreclosures, default on auto loans, etc ) is a BIG destructive force; unfortunately, it will not only affect GM, but all NA manufacturers as GM will be forced to deeply discount their prices to move unsold inventory; it would seem that GM cannot admit that the PLAN, that they were forced to redo by the Obama government, needs a revision/more realistic targets; as someone else has already said - pride cometh before the fall; hope GM will wake up in time
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Peanut 74 posts...."Well did you ever stop to think that we are all in this together. In other words, you can continue to saw away at your feet (the supposedly uneducated workhorses of society, no matter what field it may be) if you want, pushing them further toward general assistance, but don't think that shockwaves from such a move won't cripple our whole economic system." Otto Krittic sez....I heard something very profound lateley from an economist on World News that's related to this point and how there is this onslaght on the middle class. His name was Mr. Galbraith if I'm not mistaken and he said something like this. (No quotes but close)Changes will occur from constructive forces but if that doesn't produce they will surely occur from destructive forces. Makes one think that's for sure.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
the future of auto workers in the USA just grew a little bleaker; more 'permanent' layouts; more money given by the US Government ( American taxpayer ) going overseas to protect/create jobs there; GM's announcement that part of the $50B it received from the US government will be used to repay the German government, restructure GM Europe ( est 3B Euro = $5B US, plus cost of new product development, plus covering near term losses, plus.....plus....); then GM is incurring the cost of shutting down Saturn, a division supposedly based on Opel, and importing cars from Opel; seems to me the way they're spending their money is, in no way, ensuring the long term survival of automotive jobs in the USA; quite the opposite really
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Many of us do agree we must diversify and develop a new and progressive manufacturing base; continue to grow high tech and other business that is not so dependent on the auto industry. We still need skilled "hands on" people.
***May their demise be slow and painful.*** ??????
If anything this comment is "disgusting". Wishing ill will to others? Anyone that would make such a callous statement? Not for me to judge. Just please don't spit in my tin cup or kick my dog.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
You know it is truly amazing how hateful we can be toward one another. Even if you wish to label differently. How could someone be so hard-hearted as to wish job lose on another? Your talking about complete families folding. Kids included. It is not the fault of the people for accepting good paying jobs. Nor is it the fault of the union to ask for a fair share of the pie when the execs are raking in millions from the sell of vehicles that they never touch. How could one be so cold as to wish their neighbors jobless? Just as well as you need the managerial side of manufacturing, you also need the laborer. One does not exist without the other. So with that being said, why shouldn't laborers be compensated well. They are the workhorses of the company. They are the ones that risk injury. Managers are just as expendable as laborers (plenty of unemployed professionals out there). But because they went to school their compensation is ok huh? So let me get this straight, just because an individual is BLESSED with a job that needs no advanced training they should be in the poor house. WOW! How shallow is that? No families deserve to exist in pleasant surroundings but those in which the parents went to school for advanced training. Well did you ever stop to think that we are all in this together. In other words, you can continue to saw away at your feet (the supposedly uneducated workhorses of society, no matter what field it may be) if you want, pushing them further toward general assistance, but don't think that shockwaves from such a move won't cripple our whole economic system.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
No it's the typical "attack the working class" mentality out here with you guys.
So no, I will not give it a rest. Why don't you give it a rest and quit regurgitating the same old nonesense over and over.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Obama said elect me and let me spend all the taxpayers money and I will put millions to work. Well the unemployment is now at 10.2%
Barny Franks must really be brain dead. Today on CNBC the stock market channel he said that the 10.2% shows that we are not losing jobs as fast as we were and things have turned around. HA HA HA.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
It's interesting to recognize the diffence in intelectual level of the responses to the post by Mike from Pasadena.
Car Nut...
Logical, measured, intelligent with many good points....
Mike Winslow...
No comment really needed....typical, speaks for itself.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Dead on, Mike from Pasadena. Excellent post.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Mike from pasadena, you're a real loser aren't ya?
Give it a rest, Mister Winslow. He doesn't practice your religion. Neither do I.
I thought he was spot on and I know for sure I can find probably a thousand people who agree.
I worked in Pasadena for several years, at the corner of Arroyo Parkway and Glenarm. I know the area well.
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Time after time they show they can not be trusted.
GM and Obama had the bankruptcy judge change rules that had been in effect for over 200 years to help GM out.
LET US NEVER FORGET
GM and Obama have screwed to many people to stay in business past 2012. They screwed employees,suppliers, dealers,investors and taxpayers. Do you think that many of these people will buy GM products? Do you think these same people will want to invest in GM when it goes public again? If you don't sell cars you don't stay in business unless you move your operation overseas where it is much cheaper.
I also reported that it has been reported by Washington that GM will never be able to pay back all the so called LOAN that Obama gave them. TAXPAYERS MONEY
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Mike from pasadena, you're a real loser aren't ya?
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
If only it were that simple. It's like the taxi driver that has a PhD (some of you know what I'm talking about). Though I'm admittedly not in the industry, I'm sure that not all line workers are a bunch of ignorant fools. They pay was good, and for some, that's enough. Those that have skills or training should land on their feet, but it may take a while in today's economy.
For those that joined the profession because it required few skills and had good pay, they're in trouble.
Either way, it's not a good thing for friends and neighbors to lose their jobs.
If nothing else, a lesson is learned for the next generation: learn a trade;, go to college, join the military; don't just expect a job to fall into your lap and then expect to work their for 30 years and retire. For most of us that world ended long ago. Google the words, "Shift Happens" to gain some perspective.
And now, back to cars. Imagine a turbo diesel Ford Flex that gets 30-35 mpg and does 0-60 in under 8 seconds. Now, keep the price below $23 grand for a base model. THAT would be a car people would buy!
Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
Hello Louisiana Retiree..
You offer up military service and "hard work" and "college degrees" as if these were the criteria by which wages are determined. (First I suggest to you only a small percentage of line auto workers are degreed or have transferable skills. Indeed there is abundance evidence to support this assertion.) And I met plenty of uneducated soldiers in the Army...I'm not sure why that's relevant. (Interestingly last week USA Today reported that 75% of American youth are "unfit" for military service. Obese, drugs, drop outs, criminal behavior, etc.....But that's another post)
Further, paying working class (low skilled) people middle class wages was temporary. It lasted about 40 years and it will fade out in the next decade. We live in a globalized knowledge worker era. Working with one's hands is not the way to make a living any longer. (yes a few artisans will be the exception)
The "middle class" you speak of was a distortion of economic activity brought about by extortionist labor contracts and excessive profits. Now that is leaving fast as it should.
Why do I want it to be slow and painful? Because that's the only way your culture and industry will learn. (Even today your UAW brethren are berating Ford's profits even though they were mostly earned outside the USA)
Tom Friedman wrote last week in the NY Times a piece entitled, "The New Untouchables". The title was a metaphor for those who will stay employed in the coming decades. Guess what? Auto workers, the poorly educated and low skilled will be washed away by the millions. I didn't make it that way, that's just the way it is.
So I would argue my views are not "hatred" of auto workers. Rather disgust and satisfaction at seeing their deluded world view stripped bare. They will now receive their just deserts. And that is as it should be.
mike
Pasadena, Ca.
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