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CyberSurvey: Ford profits, UAW contract collide
Middle class auto workers give and give and give more. They invest in our communities. They buy homes, pay taxes, support our schools, everything that we need Americans to do. Why would ANYONE want them to lose their jobs? How short sited and dumb can folks be? Ford is doing better. We are very happy that it is, but not on the backs of its workforce. When do the "givebacks" stop? When we can no longer afford our homes or cars? They just keep asking for more. We would like to buy a Ford and plan to in the near future provided we can afford to after all the pay reductions we have suffered and workers agreed on for the betterment of the company. Just say NO MORE because we cannot afford to say yes. Do sell more cars instead of selling out loyal dedicated workers who love the products and the improved quality and WANT to buy FORDS and to help the American economy rebound.
God Bless America!
Chrysler's Market Share Goals
As a MOPAR fan, I understand that people have a reason to be skeptical about Chrysler's chances, given their current situation. Indeed, the car market is different from the time Marchionne turned Fiat around, and Chrysler may lose more market share as time goes by.
But we have to remember that, as Sean McAlinden pointed out, Chrysler had their market share go down to 7% on two separate occasions in the past 30 years, only to regain market share thereafter. Also, Marchionne has experience in turning companies around, as his work with Fiat has proven, and he is aware of how different the car market is nowadays. As such, he knows he has a big challenge ahead of him.
I, for one, am going to give him a chance to see what he can do to fix Chrysler, since he is the only one who has developed anything remotely resembling a plan for this task.
Who Cares if Cash for Clunkers costs 24K per car?
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APEDDIE asked: "fhs1, so since were saving all this money on oil how long do you think it will take the arabs to make this distinction and raise oil prices?"
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The PEOPLE paying the higher oil/fuel prices are the ONES that did not reduce consumption. So, tell US something new ... rising oil prices are certain ... the only unknowns are when and how much!
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APEDDIE asked: "Cash for clunkers was a waste of money, tell me this did you know that the program did not give people money for their cars. It basically adds 4500$$ to your taxable income for the year, how many people know that??"
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According to the FEDs, I thought that C4C $s were EXCLUDED from Federal income tax!
Can you give US a link to a Federal source stating the "Cash" is taxable? Convince me.
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Unskilled Auto Workers have no future
"And it is a prime indicator as to the future for Auto workers with no useful skills off the shop floor.
I look forward to continuing elimination of auto worker jobs as their presence in the economy distorts compensation and is illusory with so much public support.
May their demise be slow and painful."
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Wow, too bad this is not usenet, with it's feature of Killfilter...well, this clown can go on paying salaries
for his government workers who sit around and discuss banning black cars...some education, eh?
GM'S CFO Young
denver Anyone who would invest in GM would have to be brain dead.
Who Cares if Cash for Clunkers costs 24K per car?
fhs1, so since were saving all this money on oil how long do you think it will take the arabs to make this distinction and raise oil prices? Cash for clunkers was a waste of money, tell me this did you know that the program did not give people money for their cars. It basically adds 4500$$ to your taxable income for the year, how many people know that??
69rr
H. Arnold says,"The reference to Barney was just a wake up notice to people like yourself that seem to have a difficult time with original thoughts (posting the"written word as gospel")in your endless posts and your occasional personal attacks on people." ........... H. arnold..you are, The pot calling the kettle black.
"Oho!' said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."
"Not so! not so! kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean -without blemish or blot-
That your blackness is mirrored in me" ........ H.arnold.. anyone can click on your name to bring up the previous posts that you have made to read the personal attacks on myself and others on this forum. Do you want to go there?? That's what I thought!!!! ... ( H.) as in HYPOCRITE Arnold!!
GM'S CFO Young
HOw about Cowger getting a seat on the board of Delphi? Pure BS.
Dud, who do they think is going to buy their stock next year? Now they have the Germans ticked off. They are leaving a trail of bodies on their road back from the brink.
2010 Mazdaspeed3
I do not consider all vehicles in this class to be ugly.
The hatchback styling is finally starting to gain acceptance in the U.S. which I believe is due to the fact that it is the same basic style that Crossovers/SUVs employ.
The last version of the Mazda 3 (prior to the idiot grin front end) was an attractive vehicle that I would have considered buying. As far as "best in class" I would still consider the VW GTI the superior overall vehicle despite the lower horsepower rating.
Acclaim/ Spirit
Was at the tire store in Waukesha Wisconsin last night and saw an Acclaim or Spirit up on the lift. From a distance it appeared to be in very good shape. The manager and I got into a discussion and agreed that production ended in 1994 or 1995. I'd say late in '94, a 1995 model. I never owned one, the product cycle and my car purchases having been out of synch. Also (fairly or not) after having owned a Plymouth Volare I shied away from anything built at Newark (Delaware) Assembly. Does anybody have anything to share?
Speaking of tire stores my 2004 Subie went through a set of tires before its first mechanical repair. That has to be some sort of record, at least among the cars I have owned. The replacement tires, identical make and model to the original Yokahoma Geolanders, cost a fortune and then some. About 70% of what I paid for my first (used) car.
GM'S CFO Young
GM and Obama had the bankruptcy judge change rules that had been in effect for over 200 years to help GM out.
LET US NEVER FORGET
GM and Obama have screwed to many people to stay in business past 2012. They screwed employees,suppliers, dealers,investors and taxpayers. Do you think that many of these people will buy GM products? Do you think these same people will want to invest in GM when it goes public again? If you don't sell cars you don't stay in business unless you move your operation overseas where it is much cheaper.
I also reported that it has been reported by Washington that GM will never be able to pay back all the so called LOAN that Obama gave them. TAXPAYERS MONEY
Unemployment
azohio96
I did not say who was to blame for the unemployment.
What I said was when the unemployment was several % points lower Obama said that He would stop the decline and put millions back to work if Congress would just give Him the money. Well Congress gave Him the money and unemployment has increased by several % points since and continues to grow.. This does not include those that have stopped looking for work.
69rr
The reference to Barney was just a wake up notice to people like yourself that seem to have a difficult time with original thoughts (posting the"written word as gospel")in your endless posts and your occasional personal attacks on people.I've read,oh,maybe a handful of your posts and attacks and feel you need to let people have their opinions without you with your dictionary,thesaurus,etc.jumping down their throats.I guess desperate people do desperate things,or,it could be a lack of common sense that makes folks like Barney refuse to see what is happening.And since you and Barney were,uh,so friendly,I anticipated you would forgo and auto talk to attack me.Thanks for again,leaving your "post"to protect your "buddy".I didn't have to wait long.
GM'S CFO Young
Why is this man still employed by GM. He was at the financial helm during GM's fall into bankruptcy. Who should take the blame. Looks to me that Young is the guy who should have stopped mortgaging GM out of business. Whose in charge at GM these days. Looks like everyone is out to lunch.
Diesel in the US
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There is generally great concern about future price of fuel and specifically about the high "premium" demanded for diesel fuel based on past experience and that impact on "pay back".
Let's use "the NTHSA average 2008 domestic passenger vehicle fuel economy" of 21 mpg bacause that is approximately what the average domestic auto owner achieves.
We can also include, for comparison, the "best" combined average that GM has, 30 mpg.
For fuel prices: Gasoline @ $4.50 & diesel @ $6.00 ... hopefully that is a satisfactory range for the forum.
Take the NHTSA average 2008 domestic passenger vehicle fuel economy 21 mpg (4.762 gallons/100 miles @ $4.50/gallon = $21.43/100 miles).
Using the "best" GM domestic passenger vehicle fuel economy according to EPA was 30 mpg (3.33 gallons/100 miles @ $4.50/gallon = $14.98/100 miles).
And the Ford Mondeo Estate diesel at 45 mpg combined (2.222 gallons/100 miles @ $6.00/gallon = $13.33/100 miles).
What happens to supplies if there is an increase in demand for diesel fuel?
The current typical domestic refining process generally yields about 19.6 gallon of gasoline and 11 gallons of diesel per 42 gallons (1 barrel) of light sweet crude.
What you probably do NOT know is that there is an alternative process that yields about 11 gallon of gasoline and 19.6 gallons of diesel per barrel. This process is common in Europe.
So balancing diesel supply with demand should NOT BE AN ISSUE, particularly as fuel demand per vehicle would be decreasing almost 50% on average switching to diesel.
Currently, US refineries are running at between 84% and 88% capacity compared to almost MAX in early 2008. Still stored finished fuel inventories are increasing due to decreased consumption. Further, some are predicting refinery utalization as low as 78% utilization by Spring 2010. This could easily FORCE SHUTDOWN of some of the less efficient domestic refineries.
Regarding diesel vehicle technologies and possible choices ... take a look at the Fords, Volvos, Fiats, Hyundai/Kias, Mazdas, Minis, Nissans, Subarus, and Vauxhalls (Opels) rated above 51 mpg(Imperial) [43 mpg(US)] combined cycle here
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/fuelConSearch.asp
And IF you are a truck person try (be aware that Iveco is part of Fiat)
http://www.vca.gov.uk/vandata/vehicles.aspx
As for why not in the US ... the argument is over 0.250 grams/mile of NOx versus the US limit of 0.030 grams/mile NOx, IIRC (which some newer domestic gasoline vehicles will exceed unless abated).
Meanwhile VW has DEMONSTRATED "THE WILL" to solve the NOx and diesel particle problems for about $1,300 per vehicle (retail market "premium for 50 State compliant diesel"). Now, according to one source, VW has apparently increased the "premium" on their diesels to about $1,800 (about $500/diesel vehicle in ADDITIONAL PROFIT) because of demand.
At least that is the way it looks to me ...
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