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Posted by Libby Spencer on Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM

John McCain - McCrazier than Bush

If it wasn't for a well fed and free boozed out press, John McCain would never have been painted as a moderate anything. If you look at the historical record, he's just like Bush, only more clueless and out of touch. He is recycling all the Bush propaganda slogans with only a slight twist and his utter lack of knowledge about who is fighting whom is even more glaring. Bush at least pretends to be thinking about bringing troops home. McCain is planning for a 100 year occupation.

But that's not enough to scare you, try his economic plan. He not only wants to extend the Bush tax cuts for billionaires forever, he wants to make them even bigger. Meanwhile not only is income equality rising, but so is the mortality rate for poor people as more and more Americans are priced out of preventive health care insurance.

Do we really want four more years of mindless war mongering and these kind of rob the poor to make the rich richer policies?

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Mon. 03/24/08 08:42 AM

John McCain - McCrazier than Bush

Every time I hear how the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy can be anything other than bad, is beyond me. I'm so sorry that the upper income earners have to pay such a high percentage, but they should. People in the lower incomes, should not have to pay anything, as far as I'm concerned. Since, Bush has come into office, he has become a "uniter". He's united the middle class, with the lower class, and put such a strain on the middle class that the whole class faces extinction. He has protected Big Business and high wage earners. Oil companies are doing great, while robbing the average American. Sorry, everytime I hear "poor me" from the wealthy, it makes my hair stand up.

Sun. 03/23/08 09:40 PM

re: John McCain - McCrazier than Bush

TDC, you can cook those books anyway you want with percentages, but the bottom line is those same poor souls who are paying this huge burden, (a) didn't that earn that money by working, they made it by gambling the money that the working class invested in the system. Those poor souls who are paying all the taxes are walking away from the mess they made with millions in their pockets while those who did the actual work are going to be broke.

They made that income because they took 99 percent of the profits. But by all means, let's be 'fair' and let them keep more of their ill gotten gains because that strategy has worked so well for the last seven years that we're all just enjoying an unprecedented economic security right now... It says so on the White House ledger sheets so it must be true.

Sun. 03/23/08 08:31 PM

re: John McCain - McCrazier than Bush

Libby Spencer wrote in part "But that's not enough to scare you, try his economic plan. He not only wants to extend the Bush tax cuts for billionaires forever, he wants to make them even bigger. Meanwhile not only is income equality rising,

Ms Spencer..lets look at income AND taxes. Not from left of center website, but from government statistics.

From http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8885/12-11-HistoricalTaxRates.pdf

One can see the effect of of the Bush Tax cuts.(Table 2) In 2005, the upper 10% of earners earn 40%+ of the national income. They pay 54.7% of the federal tax burden. The evillll 1%..They earn 18.1% of the income and pay 27.6% of all federal taxes (including 38.8% of the income taxes).

The bottom 40% of wage earners 13.5% of the national income, and pay -3.8% of the federal income tax, and only 4.9% of all federal taxes.(Are SS taxes really a tax? I thought they were a insurance program?)

So the evillll rich are earning more money, and paying far more in taxes.

These statistics are AFTER the Bush tax cuts. The tax structure looks fairly "progressive" as it currently stands.

Tell us Ms Spencer..whats a "fair" tax rate for the upper 10%?, the upper 1%?

Platitudes about "tax cut for billionaires" make for fun campaign slogans, but the issue of "fairness" of the tax code is one that can be quantified, and debated.

Since you were kind enough to provide a left of center website for consideration, here is one from another source for your consideration. The numbers appear to be fairly consistent with the CBO data cited above. It makes for interesting reading.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

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Ms Spencer "Do we really want four more years of mindless war mongering and these kind of rob the poor to make the rich richer policies?

Ms Spencer..the "poor" (bottom 20%) are paying less than 1% of all federal taxes.(-2.9% of the income tax) How can they be "robbed" when they are not paying?

I have no objection to the poor not paying. They are struggling just to make ends meet. However they are not being "robbed" by any stretch of the imagination.

Now if you wish to debate that the poor are being "robbed" because they often live and pay taxes in large cities with incompetent, and/or corrupt, local schools and governments, thats a different subject.

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On a unrelated note...I notice the left in this blog introducing terms like "dementia", McCrazier", etc.. Whats next Ms Spencer.."insane McCain"?

I encourage the left to harp on his age and alleged mental condition for daring to disagree with you. Keep increasing the nastiness and volume through October. The backlash in November could be interesting.

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Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.

Abraham Lincoln

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