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Gordon Trowbridge

The Detroit News

Category: The Michigan delegation

Posted by Gordon Trowbridge (The Detroit News) on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Levin, Cheney and the 'L' word (not the one on the TV show)

A speech this week by Sen. Carl Levin has gotten plenty of attention from the blogosphere for its tough-edged rebuttal to former Vice President Dick Cheney's claims about tough interrogation tactics.

Levin does not quite accuse the former vice president of lying. But he doesn't miss it by much. Levin adopts the biblical phrasing "he bore false witness" to describe Cheney's claim that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were an isolated incident. Levin says the recently released report on interrogations by the Senate Armed Services Committee, which he chairs, "gives the lie" to Cheney's assertions. And he says Cheney makes "other false statements," including the assertion that interrogation tactics used on terror detainees were identical to those used to train U.S. troops how to survive in captivity.

But perhaps the most interesting section of the speech is Levin's statement that, contrary to claims by Cheney and others, documents the former vice president has asked to be declassified do not demonstrate that the use of techniques such as water boarding saved lives or prevented terror attacks.

"Mr. Cheney has also claimed that the release of classified documents would prove his view that the techniques worked," Levin says. "But those classified documents say nothing about numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of the abusive techniques. I hope that the documents are declassified so that people can judge for themselves what is fact and what is fiction."

As the chair of the Armed Services Committee and an ex officio member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Levin would have access to such documents. And he's clearly saying they don't prove the case Cheney has made for weeks. If and when they're declassified, those documents are likely to be among the most closely scrutinized historical artifacts of the Bush-Cheney era.

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Tue. 09/01/09 02:08 PM

That's if you trust Carl Levin...

1 month ago, I sent an E-Mail to levin, stabenow and McCotter asking 1 thing. "Have you read the Health Bill" Mr McCotter answered my E-Mail in 4 days, I still havn't heard from the 2 other's. I guess they must be too busy.

Fri. 05/29/09 12:53 PM

That's if you trust Carl Levin...

Your post relies on two shaky foundations:

1. Carl Levin (Dem) is a liberal Democrat with an ax to grind against the Bush / Cheney administration - is he telling the truth?

2. You leave it to Carl's interpretation of this documents to prove / disprove Cheney's claims.

If they don't prove Cheney's claims as Levin asserts, then why not release them for the public to see?

The fact that Levin asserts non-proof, yet doesn't release the documents for public review is suspect on its face.

Where's the "transparency" the Dems promised us???

Fri. 05/29/09 12:52 PM

That's if you trust Carl Levin...

Your post relies on two shaky foundations:

1. Carl Levin (Dem) is a liberal Democrat with an ax to grind against the Bush / Cheney administration - is he telling the truth?

2. You leave it to Carl's interpretation of this documents to prove / disprove Cheney's claims.

If they don't prove Cheney's claims as Levin asserts, then why not release them for the public to see?

The fact that Levin asserts non-proof, yet doesn't release the documents for public review is suspect on its face.

Where's the "transparency" the Dems promised us???

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